Ep. 68 Teachers


Show notes

This week, we talk about our favorite teachers: what they mean to us, why we love them, and what we turn to them for.

We talked about

  • Meadow getting a new car and the last round of edits for Laura’s book

  • surviving the typical car salesman spiel and the “worst marketing fail ever”

  • what Laura loves most about Pema Chödrön and discovering her while in existential pain for the first time

  • Meadow’s #1 teacher David Whyte and her appreciation for his approach to the world (and his accent)

  • pondering everyone’s Enneagram types and being drawn to self-help by those who (on the surface) seem to paint a happy face on everything

  • Laura’s love for John O’Donohue’s work and through it re-establishing her connection to God

  • Russ Hudson serving as an inspiration for Meadow to go deep-diving into the Enneagram world

  • Laura turning into a poetry person (and being saved during some rough times) thanks to Mary Oliver

  • Meadow’s debt of gratitude to Kent Dobson and going through a crisis of faith

  • Laura’s attraction to Richard Rohr’s re-imagining of God and her being drawn to strong faith-based teachers overall

  • Geneen Roth and her understanding of the depth of money

  • the joyous Rob Bell on Laura’s mind and her favorite Bible passage she learned from him

  • why Meadow goes to Bell as a teacher and the particular lesson that draws her to him

  • the last, but not least, teacher on Meadow’s list and more!


“There are things that you just can’t positive mindset yourself out of. And I don’t want to anymore.”

“He talks a lot about the soul...I just feel like when I read his words I’m talking to God. I feel that connection.”

“A lot of teachers get very far and a lot of notoriety by claiming to have answers. And I trust the ones a lot more that don’t.”

“Do not apologize for what you need to do to do your work in the world. Nobody understands that. Nobody understands what it takes to do your work.”


Pema Chödrön’s When Things Fall Apart book and Getting Unstuck audio download

David Whyte’s The Poetry of Self Compassion audio

Russ Hudson’s Enneagram Institute and Enneagram workshop at Esalen

John O’Donohue’s Benedictus and other books and Interview with Krista Tippett

Mary Oliver’s “The Journey” and “Wild Geese” poems, Devotions book, and Interview with Krista Tippett

Kent Dobson’s Bitten By a Camel book and “Hints and Guesses” podcast

Richard Rohr’s Falling Upward, The Enneagram: A Christian Perspective, and On Transformation books

Geneen Roth’s Lost and Found and other books

Rob Bell’s  “The Robcast” podcast

Music by Izzy DeVor.

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